• Skip to main content
  • Skip to header right navigation
  • Skip to site footer

Receive The Miscellany in your mailbox

Learning Now: Notebooking • Pumpkins • Classic Poetry

Sallie Borrink

  • Blog
    • Recent Comments
    • Tags
  • About
    • Meet Sallie
    • Subscribe
    • My Doctrinal Beliefs
    • The Study & Reference Library
    • My Telegram Page
    • Make a Donation
  • Homeschooling
    • Learn About Relaxed Homeschooling
    • Homeschool Planning
    • Back-to-Homeschool
    • Picture Book Activities
    • Unit Studies
    • Printable Poetry
    • Creative & Visual-Spatial Learners
  • Free Printables
    • All Free Homeschool Printables
    • Free Christian Printables
    • Free Homemaking Printables
    • Free Map Printables
    • Free Printable Word Searches for Kids
    • Free Counting Puzzle Printables
    • Free Printable Memory Games
  • Family Culture
  • Theology
  • Gifted & 2e
  • The Shop
    • Browse The Shop
    • Your Cart
    • Your Account Details
      • View Your Orders
      • Go To Your Downloads
      • My Account
    • Lost Password Help
    • Digital Products Terms of Use
You are here: Home / Cultural Discernment / Battle for Western Civilization / The Fourth Turning, Neil Howe, and Trump Derangement Syndrome

Archives

The Fourth Turning, Neil Howe, and Trump Derangement Syndrome

Friday, July 11, 2025 (Updated: Monday, September 21, 2026)
Be The First To Comment

Post may contain affiliate links. Read my disclosure statement.

I’ve been writing about The Fourth Turning since at least 2012 which I mentioned in The Theory of the Fourth Turning | How It Impacts the Body of Christ. Things made much more sense to me on the very big picture scale once I understood this concept. I’ve written about the how the fourth turning impacts the church. I’ve written about how the fourth turning impacts education. I’ve written about how you can see the first turning coming if you know what to look for. I even briefly had a Substack called Tracking the Turnings. 

All that to say that I am familiar with the concept. So I was very interested when Neil Howe’s new book, The Fourth Turning Is Here: What the Seasons of History Tell Us about How and When This Crisis Will End, was released. Imagine my disappointment when I picked up a copy at Barnes and Noble to consider buying and realized within a very short period of time that I knew the book wasn’t coming home with me. 




How did I know? 

The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy - What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with DestinyThe Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy – What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with DestinyThe Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy - What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with DestinyThe Fourth Turning Is Here: What the Seasons of History Tell Us about How and When This Crisis Will EndThe Fourth Turning Is Here: What the Seasons of History Tell Us about How and When This Crisis Will EndThe Fourth Turning Is Here: What the Seasons of History Tell Us about How and When This Crisis Will End

I don’t have the exact wording here because I did not buy the book. But his description of the so-called insurrection of January 6 in the first part of the book told me everything I needed to know. If he wasn’t honest enough to research and understand what really happened that day, I knew I wasn’t interested in reading his other thoughts. How could I trust anything else he had to say if he couldn’t be honest about that one critical fact due to his apparent Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS)? You can read the one star reviews on Amazon if you want more details. There are many good ones. Like others, I suspect the death of his co-author made this book veer into places it should have never gone. It apparently lost all of the balance of the first book.

So I didn’t buy the book and moved on. 

Then the following video popped up in my CensorTube feed. Since it was free and I am familiar with the host, I decided to give it a try to see what he had to say. 

Sigh.

I barely made it through part of the video before I turned it off. Howe’s TDS is so apparent it is painful. But I thought maybe it was just me being hyper-sensitive so I looked at the comment section.

No, it wasn’t just me. The 1,400+ comments are full of observations like these.




Howe’s lack of objectivity and rejection of obvious populist trends mutes his message. Trump is clearly the “Gray Champion” of the Fourth Turning and Howe’s biases render him unable to admit that fact.

I thought this interview would be better than what it turned out to be. I’ve read the recent book of his but this was just a scree about how bad President Trump is.
 
 
I’m sorry, I’ve been quite interested in the whole subject of the 4th Turning for a few years now. Even though I’m willing to give Neil Howe all the leeway he deserves, something seemed “off” right out of the gate in this interview. Found myself taking a noticeable step back from his words in this interview.

I think Neal missed the boat on his own theory It seems that 4th turnings were also about throwing off the shackles of the past social contract and forming a new one. One does not need to like Trump to see that is what is happening worldwide. The social contracts are being scrapped, and the new one is not yet drafted

In previous interviews, Neil stated that the persons who will lead us out of the 4th Turning will not be the well-known current players. Unfortunately, he seems to not be able to step back and view things in an unbiased way. His theories are solid, but he is human, with TDS-clouded brain.
 
I have lost all respect for Neil Howell at this point. This man had a good idea which he parlayed into a decent living. Now rubber has met the road and he just becomes a whingeing handwringing liberal Democrat.
 
Howe’s reaction gives me less and less confidence about his 4th turning theories.
 

I’m reading The Fourth Turning and I’ve listened to several interviews with him, and his cognitive dissonance is on stark display. He clearly understands the what of the historic data and how it forms societal trends. However, he cannot seem to reconcile how his personal political beliefs directly lead to the outcomes he warns against. That is quite common among the younger crowd because their scope of experience is so limited, but he is old enough to have witnessed more than one generation/turning. Plus, he has made a career of studying the data, so there is no real excuse.

Up until now, I enjoyed and respected what Howe had to say. But in this interview, he showed an internal liberal bias that was really ludicrous. The questioning, however, was excellent and your easy going, non-confrontational, but probing style was perfectly suited to allowing Howe to bury himself in illogical, self-contradicatory statements. We may well be in a fourth turning, but not for the reasons stated by Howe.
 
Im sorry. 10 minutes in i psused, read the reviews and decided to get an hour of my life back. I’ll have Grok watch it and tell me what I missed.
 
 
I tried watching this interview on what I consider an interesting topic. However, 15 minutes in, it felt like bait and switch—just an anti-Trump screed rather than a thoughtful analysis of what societal factors led to his election in the first place.
 
Like Zeihan, Neil’s TDS is so severe he’s completely lost the plot…that he literally wrote.
 
I thought this one was especially interesting.
A few years ago I was fascinated with the 4th Turning thesis. Today I suspect that the analysis was not original thinking on the part of Strauss & Howe. The “4th Turning” seems like the historical playbook of Rothschild inc. et. al., that was handed down to the authors. My fear is that Howe is less of a dispassionate observer and more of a proponent of the 4th Turning template, and now it’s showtime. Doubtful? Have a look at his firm … Hedge Eye …
An interesting thought. That would make The Fourth Turning a kind of Scofield Reference Bible for the non-Christian. Paint a bleak future so they expect it when you deliver it according to your plans. It would make sense why Howe seems completely disconnected from reality. He is being funded to try to detatch people from reality and embrace a passive stance as the country burns around them. 
 
I’m still thinking about that one. Now it almost makes me want to watch this full video through that lens. 
 
So there you go. Don’t you feel excited to watch it now? LOL! 

Category: Battle for Western CivilizationTag: President Trump | The First Turning | The Fourth Turning

About Sallie Borrink

Sallie Schaaf Borrink is a Christian, wife, mother, homeschooler, homebody, and autodidact. She owns a home-based graphic design and web design business with her husband (DavidandSallie.com).

You Might Also Like

President Trump’s Executive Order 13818

What Did Hillary Clinton Just Say?

Steady Everyone & Sooner Rather Than Later – Trump, Chamath Palihapitiya, David Sacks

Reader Interactions

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

 

Thank you for your comment. I read and appreciate each one even if I am unable to respond.

Sidebar

Sallie Schaaf Borrink

I’m Sallie — Christian, wife, mother, just-retired homeschooler, homebody, and autodidact. Our little family lives a quiet and cozy life of home education, self-employment, and pithy exchanges. I’ve been writing here for 20+ years about Truth, Goodness, and Beauty. And I like to laugh. A lot. Start here. ♥ 

Categories

Popular Today

  • Popular-Today-List-Avatar-SB-GIRL-80x80The Study & Reference Library
  • He Drew Me Aside SQUAREHe Drew Me Aside – “I Needed the Quiet” Poem by Alice Hansche Mortenson
  • TPT Now Expects Exclusivity from Sellers SIMPLETeachers Pay Teachers (TPT) Now Expects Exclusivity from Sellers
  • Karen Campell statementKaren Campbell Facebook Statement re: Botkin Sisters Apology
  • Bundle of violets or violas tied with a white ribbon on a vintage letterWhat Comes Next for a Retired Homeschool Mom
  • Popular-Today-List-Avatar-SB-GIRL-80x80Relaxed Homeschooling: A Peaceful Choice for Thoughtful Families
  • Blank map of the world for homeschoolingFree World Map Printable for Homeschoolers
  • Black and white map of South America with countries outlinedFree South America Map Printable for Homeschoolers
  • Blank map of North American for homeschoolingFree North America Map Printable for Homeschoolers
  • Free Map of the United StatesFree United States Map Printable for Homeschoolers
  • Switching from Kindle to Kobo SIMPLESwitching To Kobo Libra Colour From Kindle
  • Popular-Today-List-Avatar-SB-GIRL-80x80Rescuing Children From the Horrors of the Fourth Turning
  • 1940s House SIMPLEThe 1940s House
  • Popular-Today-List-Avatar-SB-GIRL-80x80Devolution Power Hour #153 – Analysis of Trump’s Post Indictment Bedminster Speech
  • Doe Ye Nexte Thynge by Mrs. George A. Paull 3“Doe Ye Nexte Thynge” by Mrs. George A. Paull | Printable Poem



What Can I Help You Find Today?

Home

About Sallie

Contact

Privacy Policy

Disclaimers & Disclosures

Subscribe

Make a Donation

Tags

My Telegram

My Printables Shop

My Account

Cart

Lost Password Help

Digital Products Terms of Use

Relaxed Homeschooling

Free Printables

Family Culture

Unit Studies

Copyright © 2005–2026 · Sallie Borrink · All Rights Reserved · Powered by Mai Theme

Scroll Up
We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it.