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Wayne Grudem's Thoughtful Response to Mark Galli and Christianity Today

 
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This is a very detailed and thorough response to the article I wrote about here: Mark Galli, Self-Proclaimed Christian Elite, and What He Thinks of Christian Trump Voters.

Trump Should Not Be Removed from Office: A Response to Mark Galli and Christianity Today


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Posted : Monday, December 30, 2019 1:15 pm
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Grudem's article is much more thoughtful than the liberal responses that I've seen to it.

One thing I don't think I've seen in all this back-and-forth is the perception by conservative Christians that liberal Christians have not been standing up for them in any of the recent political/cultural conflicts over Christian religious freedom. Whether this perception is true or not, I can't say for sure because I haven't gone looking for hard evidence, but my intuition says that it is.  The political alliance between many evangelicals and Trump is happening for a reason, and the reason is that the Church is not unified in the way that Jesus prayed it would be.

 


 
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@peggy

I'm going to paint with a somewhat broad brush here, but Liberal (Progressive) Christians don't prioritize religious freedom. They prioritize intersectionality, victimhood status, apologizing for being white, tearing down the patriarchy, etc. In fact, a lot of them claim the conservative commitment to religious freedom is really veiled bigotry or some other such nonsense. Progressive Christians won't stand up for Conservative Christians because they think Conservative Christians are inferior and terrible people. Truly. Just reading what Galli wrote about "elite" evangelicals shows where their priorities are:

“I know hardly anyone, let alone any evangelical Christian who voted for Trump. I describe evangelicals like me as ‘elite’ evangelicals … and this class of evangelicals has discovered that we have family members so different they seem like aliens in our midst. These other evangelicals often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs (and apparently a lot of them don’t), they are blue-collar jobs or entry-level work. They don’t write books or give speeches; they don’t attend conferences of evangelicals for social justice or evangelicals for immigration reform. They are deeply suspicious of mainstream media. A lot of them voted for Donald Trump.” 

Social justice? Immigration reform? Honestly, those talking points come more from the secular left than they do Biblical Christianity. The whole social justice thing was one of the main reasons we rejected a particular denomination when looking for a church. The vocal leadership and the offices driving the agenda for the denomination are so overrun with progressive ideology that they can't even see how what they are doing is not biblical.

Bottom line is that Conservative Christians are basing their choices on trying to live faithfully by the Scriptures and back a president who is making an effort to support religious freedom for all people. Progressive Christians are basing their choices on something else and trying to read it into the Scriptures. There's a reason unity is lacking. The two groups have completely different paradigms on what it means to be a Christian.

There's so much good stuff out there about all of the problems with social justice. I need to share some of those. Even among non-Christians there is a major backlash against the wrongness of social justice as it is currently being used.


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Posted : Wednesday, January 1, 2020 10:30 pm
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I just added two videos to their own thread.

Two Videos on Social Justice, Wokeness, and Progressivism


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Posted : Wednesday, January 1, 2020 11:09 pm
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@peggy

I was thinking about this some more and wanted to link to a couple of posts. You have probably already read them, but I'm going to put them here for anyone who hasn't.

My observation (that offers anecdotal evidence) is that the women I have observed who are caught up in Progressive Christianity are women who have been wounded. These wounds usually come from men, church leadership, and/or some combination of that. This ties in the with comments I highlighted in the forum post I mentioned above: Two Videos on Social Justice, Wokeness, and Progressivism.

Here's two posts I have written relevant to this:

The Life Lessons of Warren Wiersbe, Rachel Held Evans, and Those Falling Away by Deconstructing Their Faith

A Wise Woman Builds Her Home


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Posted : Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:47 am
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@peggy

My observation (that offers anecdotal evidence) is that the women I have observed who are caught up in Progressive Christianity are women who have been wounded. These wounds usually come from men, church leadership, and/or some combination of that. This ties in the with comments I highlighted in the forum post I mentioned above: Two Videos on Social Justice, Wokeness, and Progressivism.

This explains a lot, although as I have learned from my former pastor, what people act on is their perceptions, which may not be very grounded in truth.

I can see how practically every progressive policy stems from that source.


 
Posted : Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:11 am
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